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I’ve been expecting this event to be the Daniel covenant for a few years now. If this isn’t just wishful thinking on Israel’s part, then I believe if this succeeds this will be it. Saudi is leveraging the entire Arab world to recognize Israel right now. When it becomes formal, start the countdown. The regular sacrifice should resume within the following year. All the need is an altar to start. The temple will be done sometime within the first 3.5 years. Nearly certain the prince pictured is the final boss.

And it all has to do with their new oil field that is huge, and also called the Leviathan Oil field. Pretty sure the name Leviathan comes up in prophecy because I couldn't for the life of me understand how a sea monster would play out in prophecy. An oil filed right off their coast (in the sea) named Leviathan is a pretty good fit.

10 Islamic nations surrounding them, I look for a possible false covenant with this 10 headed beast, that will of course break its covenant and come against them.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of the leviathan thing. But he is the both defacto leader for the 7th king and will be the 8th since kingdoms foundation fulfilling rev 17. And he also jumped 3 successor to the throne and had them arrested to fulfill Daniel 7. Also lots of other specific references in scripture he fulfills too.

The only King with worldwide tentacles is King Charles. The British Commonwealth itself amounts to a fourth of the Earth, a number we see associated with the 4 horsemen of Revelation. King Charles is the most influential figure in the "Green Revolution" so saving the Earth from climate change (including reducing oil consumption) is seen to be the most urgent need in the world right now and will be a major basis for the "covenant with many" including Israel. The climate change agenda is pure Gaia: "Gaia is life. She is all, the very soul of the earth. She is a goddess who, by all accounts, inhabits the planet, offering life and nourishment to all her children. In the ancient civilizations, she was revered as mother, nurturer and giver of life." In other words, worshipping the Creation more than the Creator. If you watch the Coronation event video you will see King Charles welcoming leaders of all the other religions of the world along with his apostate clergy from the Anglican church. Syncretism at its finest. Saudi Arabia and almost-King MBS pale by comparison in global influence, wealth, and power.

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/saudi-arabia/saudis-seek-to-reboot-temple-mounts-status-quo-with-peace-deal/2023/08/14/

When the rapture occurs, all bets are off. It will be a time of chaos and upheaval the world has never seen. The AC will come with powerful delusion and will make a false paradise for a short time (1Thess. 5:3). I think it is vanity to try and predict who will be the puppets of the AC. The 'treaty' in Daniel 9 between the AC and Israel will involve the building of the temple and the beginning of sacrifices (Dan 9:27). That will also start the tribulation.

Hi you all :)
It looks like you think that the covenant with many is made by Antichrist, or with Arabs. Dit you ever concider that Jesus confirms the covenant and He did that 3.5 years before He died.

Lets look at the text of Daniel 9:26-27.
Who or what is the subject of the first line of verse 26?
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.” KJV
Without no doubt it is the Messiah.

Who or what is the subject of the second line of verse 26?
“and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” KJV

Grammatically, the subject can only be “the people”.
Then verse 27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week”.
When I see this right, grammatically, the only possible subject who can be identified as a ‘He’ is the Messiah.

Then we read that " he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,"
As I said: He can only be Messiah. And He is confirming a covenant, NOT makes a covenant. It is an existing covenant.
And in the midst of the week, that is halfway the 70th week, He shall cause the sacrifice to cease. That happened when HE died as the perfect sacrifice and the veil in the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Please let me know of this makes sense.

This is a common theory. I personally don’t think it works for several reasons. I have more than this but it would get too long.
1. Jesus never put an end to the sacrificial system till the temple was destroyed in 70ad. In fact he still affirmed the system in his teachings.
2. He never made a covenant with many nations for anything that would fit a 7 year window.
3. The last subject was prince of the people to come. So naturally it would read as another prince of people to come.
4. Jesus was crucified at the end of 69th week. And ascended shortly after. No accounts of him going into the temple and stopping sacrificial system nothing even implying his ministry was 3.5 years (only 2.5 can be inferred in John). So the final 3.5 years of the final week wouldn’t fit anything notable from his ascension to temple destroyed. How would the first part of the week start after he’s already crucified at end of 69th week. This theory would mean an overlap in weeks.
5. There are several other references to this covenant in OT prophecy that Israel makes with their enemies that results in their invasion/final exile before Christ returns.
6. Chapter 8 speaks of the same events as the 70th week. It states 3 times it’s for the appointed time of the end. Daniel is ill and doesn’t understand. During his prayers, Gabriel returns to give him the 70 weeks prophecy for clarification.
7. Chapter 12 continues the narrative and speaks of the abomination still marking the final days.
8. The latter half the week and chapter 12 line up perfectly with the final tribulation and authority of antichrist in revelation. As well as the invasion of Judea referenced by Jesus in the Olivet discourse before His return

Hi Jeff, I didn’t know that this was common theory. I don’t see often that people see that the ‘He’ in Daniel 9:27 is Messiah.
Anyway, your reply is interesting.
I will try to answer your points.

1. You know, of course, that Jesus was the Lamb that was slaughtered. He was the perfect sacrificial offer to take away sin. When He died the way to God was opened, the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom.
I think that all this meant that there was no sacrificial offer anymore needed to get to God.

2. God made several covenants. The covenant with Abraham f.i., The promise of the land and the promise of the seed (Jesus). The covenant was confirmed in Dan 9:27. 
A covenant can only be confirmed when there is a covenant. A lot of people think the text is speaking of a newly made covenant that AC will make, but such a covenant cannot be confirmed. Messiah probably confirmed the same covenant as mentioned in Daniel 9:4.

3. As I explained, , the prince of the people is NOT the subject, the “people” of the prince are the subject. The use of the pronoun ‘he’ can only refer to someone who had already been introduced in the previous verses. The only one introduced has been Messiah.

4. Maybe it is a good idea to read Daniel 9:26 carefully again.
“After” the weeks, mentioned before, the 7 and the 62, that is a total of 69, Messiah shall be cut off. So after 69 comes 70. Isn’t it?

5. Don’t know what you mean.

6. You’re right. Dan 8 and 12 speaks about the same events. It speaks about the AC.
 In Dan 9:26-27 we see a kind of Hebrew writing style.
a. First sentence is about Messiah.
b. Second sentence is about His enemy. That was pre-fulfilled in 70 AD, but will be fully fulfilled just before Jesus comes back.
c. Then we read again in the first part of verse 27 about Messiah.
d. The second part speaks again of the enemy.

a. and c. are speaking of the events that happened in the first part of the 70th week.

b. and d. are speaking of the future, the time of the end. The last 3.5 years.

7. That’s what I tried to explain in the previous point.

8. I believe that as well.


When I listen to you I think you find it very well possible that there is a break between the 69th and the 70th week.
I think there is a break between the first half of the 70th week (at 30 AD) and the last half of the 70th week (at 2026-2027AD).
After all, Dan 9:27 says that in the midst of the week Messiah shall cause the sacrifice to cease.


When the AC will sets himself in the rebuild temple, probably 3.5 year before 2030, he will “take away” the daily sacrifice.
The devil is always mimic God.



But even when we don’t agree on some points I respect you. Jesus died for both of us, and when we agree on that, we both will meet Him in the air when He comes.

I’m glad to see we both agree on the final part of the 70th week. That’s the critical part if we both see there will be a third temple and it will be defiled by the AC. I prob made some assumptions on your position because most people I hear with that view on the 70th week take preterist views on revelation. Meaning they believe the tribulation is over, which I find to be a problematic view. I’ll address a couple things.
1. The vast majority of the regular sacrifice did not involve sin offerings or an intent to get to God. They were written into the law as a means of feeding the Levites. The Levites were the priesthood and not allowed to own land so they were taken care of by the sacrificial system which you could think of as a form of taxation. There were circumcision offerings, marriage offerings, contract offerings, feast offerings and many others. Jesus will reinstate this system during the 1000 year reign but it is not for the atonement of sin, which is completely fulfilled and paid for. But even the implication of the sin offerings continuing wouldn’t have to be for atonement either and just a form of taxation. And as far as the original point, though the veil was torn, these regular sacrifices continued till the temple was destroyed and Israel dispersed.

3. “And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.””
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭ESV‬‬

To me the order of this leaves the prince of people to come as the most likely subject of “he”. Since he was the last character mentioned before the “and he”. But I get in technical English language “people” was the last subject but he’s still last character mentioned which to me makes it much more likely than backing up further to the Messiah being the subject.

As far as #5… I usually find scripture rarely introduces an idea or prophecy in only one place. So if there is an actual covenant made with the AC that results in Israel’s invasion and exile, then we should have other places in scripture that talk about this or foreshadow it. I believe this was foreshadowed as early as the exodus when they were taking the promised land. And I believe there are many other allusions to it in later prophetic books and psalms. Here’s several passages to ponder….

“And I will set your border from the Red Sea to the Sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the Euphrates, for I will give the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you. You shall make no covenant with them and their gods.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23‬:‭31‬-‭32‬ ‭ESV‬‬ (notice the borders they are supposed to possess, this hasn’t been fulfilled yet).

“Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we have an agreement, when the overwhelming whip passes through it will not come to us, for we have made lies our refuge, and in falsehood we have taken shelter”;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭28‬:‭15‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“Then your covenant with death will be annulled, and your agreement with Sheol will not stand; when the overwhelming scourge passes through, you will be beaten down by it. As often as it passes through it will take you; for morning by morning it will pass through, by day and by night; and it will be sheer terror to understand the message.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭28‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭ESV‬‬. (Describes the invasion of Judea when covenant is broken)

“They say, “Come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more!” For they conspire with one accord; against you they make a covenant— the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal and Ammon and Amalek, Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; Asshur also has joined them; they are the strong arm of the children of Lot. Selah”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭83‬:‭4‬-‭8‬ ‭ESV‬‬. (These are all the peoples/nations in those boundaries laid out in exodus).

“Day and night they go around it on its walls, and iniquity and trouble are within it; ruin is in its midst; oppression and fraud do not depart from its marketplace. For it is not an enemy who taunts me— then I could bear it; it is not an adversary who deals insolently with me— then I could hide from him. But it is you, a man, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend. We used to take sweet counsel together; within God’s house we walked in the throng. My companion stretched out his hand against his friends; he violated his covenant. His speech was smooth as butter, yet war was in his heart; his words were softer than oil, yet they were drawn swords.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭55‬:‭10‬-‭14‬, ‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“Can wicked rulers be allied with you, those who frame injustice by statute? They band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭94‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭ESV‬‬

““Ah, stubborn children,” declares the Lord, “who carry out a plan, but not mine, and who make an alliance, but not of my Spirit, that they may add sin to sin;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭30‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel, “Because you despise this word and trust in oppression and perverseness and rely on them, therefore this iniquity shall be to you like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse, whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭30‬:‭12‬-‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean on him who struck them, but will lean on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God. For though your people Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭10‬:‭20‬-‭22‬ ‭ESV‬‬

All of these verses cumulatively point to an end times covenant where Israel is aligning themselves with their neighboring nations that makes them completely vulnerable to a sudden invasion and being crushed in a day. Which is why Jesus is so adamant not to even look back to grab their coat. When these armies gather, the remnant will run.

Thanks. For me it takes too much time to continue this conversation, so I have to stop here. It was interesting to hear what you said.
God bless.

This is a good discussion .
we have two options
1 a/c confirm a covenant
2 yeshua confirms the covenant

the expected events up to the 69 week
messiah the prince comes @ 69 week
anointed one cut off at 7+62 =69 ( after the 69 th week one is cut off). this is somewhere in the 70th week+
yeshua ministry 3.5 in the middle of the week . is that why 3.5 is left which is called the great trib

the coming prince confirms a covenant with many..(only coming prince in the whole chapter is the one that is cut off.....last supper yeshua comfirms a new covenant

the people of the coming prince destroy city and sanctuary
not the prince but the people of the prince destroy city and sanctuary
(read lev 26 if the people of GOD break the comandments. GOD promises to desolate the city and sanctuary

and the reason it went from 70 to 70x7...leviticus 26 ...another promise by God
..
when yeshua and paul talk about the a/c or the lawless one . never do they mention a covenant
because in luke jesus says this is my blood of the new covenant for many ......this is the confirming of the covenant

imo the will be no other covenant made and the a/c will just show up and start the show

jeff

As long as we all agree that the guy that walks in the third temple claiming to be God is the antichrist, then there’s not much harm in disagreeing viewpoints outside of that on the topic. The only supposed benefit would be I guess if the AC does make the covenant then, those people that took that position would have a 3.5 year head start on who he is. 😁

Hi Jeff and Jeff. I'm trying to reply to each of you but I get an error, so I do it now on the last post...

It is indeed a good discussion.
Is it the covenant which Jesus made as the new covenant?
To me a new covenant is a new covenant, not one which is confirmed.
I think that it is the Abrahamic covenant. That’s about the land and the seed (Jesus).

Maybe you find it interesting that the people of the prince which destroyed the city at 70 AD were legions recruited in Syria and Turkey. Nowadays Muslims. Before Jesus comes back those Muslim people, from Syria and Turkey, will come again and will destroy the city again. Their leader will be a/c, the prince to come. The Assyrian.

About grammar, it is there for a reason ;)

And we agree that the guy who is walking into the temple is the a/c. And that he will do that 1260 days before the return of Jesus.