If Christ is to return in 2030 this could possibly mean the rapture could happen in 2023. There is a lot of details and information with biblical support concerning each theory. It is not one of those predictions of Christ return dates as in the past. It's more bibical Information concerning different theories with the same results. Just as the prediction of Christ the Messiah first came to died for mankind. I found it to be very interesting and that something Christian's should watch.

Let, me understand. If 2030 is the year of Christ second coming you wouldn't minus seven years from that if you believe in pretrib rapture. I'm just trying to understand.

I have been so fascinated by Messiah 2030 that I have been telling everyone I know to watch it! I am so thankful for the intelligent approach and overarching bible study that reveals and carefully explains why our Savior Jesus Christ will return to establish, "The Day of the Lord," YHWH's millennial rest the 7th DAY, here on earth in 2030, the 3rd DAY since Christ's first advent in 30 CE.

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A couple days ago, I finally joined the forum to discover to my surprise our Messiah 2030 intelligent brother in Christ with clearly the gift of knowledge, prophecy and likely at super high IQ, our Moderator, does not support a separate event of the rapture seven years prior to 2030.🤔 I am baffled. And in writing this post, I digress on many topics below to make my argument sound, that something doesn't seem right in the position that the 2nd coming in 2030 is the rapture all in one event. Now, I am not nearly as smart nor as perceptive as those who prepared and delivered on this amazing documentary/ bible study shedding light on the forest for the trees. Yet, I feel compelled to share my thoughts, nevertheless, seeking help to be corrected where I am wrong as your humble brother in Christ seeking the truth along with you.

Q for Messiah 2030 Moderator: What is your understanding of the parable of the 10 virgins in Matt 25? Do not the 5 prudent virgins with plenty of oil ready for their Bridegroom's middle of the night arrival represent the born again Christians still alive on earth who are continually keeping in step with the Spirit, who are not back-slid into habitual sin, watchfully ready because they were truly living in obedience to Christ's commands? They appear at first glance to represent the body of Christ who are born again and have plenty of oil for their lamps to shine brightly because the oil represents the Holy Spirit working in their lives on a daily basis, unquenched, unfettered, completely in control of God's image bearers and thereby qualifying them ready for their returning Bridegroom's (Jesus Christ's). The shout and trumpet sound from 1 Thessalonians 4 seems to dovetail very well with this parable, and the 5 wise virgins are the body of Christ who are in fact caught up in the sky at warp speed, in a twinkling of an eye to be with their Bridegroom once and for all.

The other 5 virgins appear at first glance to represent the many seekers of the Lord, those who are predestined to believe (hence called virgins together as opposed to wheat being distinguished from tares from the outset of the parable), but either have yet to receive the Holy Spirit by God's grace upon salvific faith, or they have at one time tasted the Holy Spirit, but do not live in step with the Holy Spirit, unable to shine their lamps brightly when the Bridegroom appears, because they are quenching the Holy Spirit by their deeds.

There are many of the Lord's sheep being led astray by false teachers, antichrists, cult leaders who preach a false gospel. But they still belong to the global "Bride of Christ" and are those reserved to come to Christ and lead others to Christ during the 70th week, the tribulation period. Yes, in the parable, the Lord tells them he does not know them and they are not included in the rapture, but they do belong to the Bridegroom (Christ), since they are identified as included in the original 10 virgins as the parable starts out. Yes, they are foolish and unwise, but not forever lost. They will become born again and filled with the Spirit after they miss the rapture call, but come to real faith during the tribulation.

Or does our Lord's parable imply they are forever unaccepted for being foolish? So many are deceived by a false representation of the Christian faith by a set of doctrines that are actually being taught by the enemy, Satan, and those people need a tribulation period to "wise up" actually. I think of the many Catholics that follow the false doctrines that fool them into believing they are saved because of their infancy baptism (not a believer's baptism), or confession booth practices designed to make blasphemers of Catholic priests, or prayers to Mary or patron saints, which is idolatry. The 5 virgins caught in their folly do become self aware of their error and become desperate when they realize they missed their Bridegroom's call in the middle of the night!

Those 5 virgins that are taken by the Bridegroom because they are living by the Holy Spirit (having plenty of oil) must be removed to lift the protection of God over the earth, all the inhabitants on earth, including human, animal and plant life. For when those living by the Holy Spirit are removed from earth, the Lord's sovereign restraints on the pervasiveness of evil in the world will cease. The true bride's global presence makes up the Lord's presence on earth since the Holy Spirit was given to the church in 30 CE at Pentecost (Acts 2). We are the salt of the earth because of He who lives in us.

When that happens, Satan's demonic forces will be unleashed to destroy what God has created, starting with 1/4th of the all who bear the Lord's image; Revelations chapter 6, the Lamb unseals the first four scrolls to unleash demonic forces of evil who collectively kill off a quarter or approximately 2B people.

And God's wrath has numerology that goes further than 1/4th. We see 1/3rd over and over again being destroyed by God's wrath. Why 1/3rd repeatedly? Could the Lord be showing Satan and his evil kingdom that God is okay with destroying His own creation on earth using the same proportion of the angelic host that will inherit eternity in the lake of fire due to their disobedience. Satan and his kingdom will be reminded of their own future destiny with each progressive wrath of God destroying 1/3rd his own precious creation over an over again, category by category.

How could the Lord promise his followers in John 14, "For I go to prepare a place for you. If I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also," and not take them to see that place prior to the Rev 19 return of Christ Jesus? Are we each to be caught up into the clouds to be with our Lord only long enough to be dressed in fine linen, put on top of a white horse and sent right back to earth to follow our King, "Faithful and True," into battle to capture the beast and false prophet (Rev 19)? If the rapture and 2nd coming of Christ Jesus are the same event, there is no time for a wedding to the Bridegroom, no time for going to the place the Lord has prepared for us, no time to enjoy the Lord together before being thrown into a battle with our Lord here on earth? This does not fit the timeline in Revelation 19 if the rapture and 2nd coming are one and the same event.

Are we not raptured as a body of believers prior to His Second Coming? Do we not make up the multitude glorifying God from the "place prepared for us" called Paradise after witnessing the Lord call His deceived children out of the false church - the Vatican, after he destroys the Papacy (that Harlot) and in so doing avenge the blood of the Saints? Those other 5 virgins that missed the rapture that belong to the Lord (Rev 18:4) are called to "Come out of (the great harlot)" so they "will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues." But there are a multitude in Heaven praising God for all that the Lord does to defeat Babylon in Rev 18 including those who obey leaving the catholic church and becoming true Christians born again by faith in Christ. How could we have saints on earth and in Heaven at the same time? The rapture and 2nd coming are distinct that's how.

And once all those destined to believe during the tribulation including those who will die and be beheaded for their faith for not accepting the mark of the beast and who obeyed the command of the Lord (Rev 18:4) to "come out of the harlot (the false bride)" Paradise will finally be full of all the Saints and the Bride will be fully ready for the wedding. And the "fullness of the gentiles will be brought in," including the 1) Dead in Christ (1st Resurrection), 2) the church who were caught up into the clouds moments later (still the 1st Resurrection) the first 5 virgins awarded and not called to suffer God's wrath, and 3) those who were saved through God's wrath, after the rapture, who repented, came to saving faith in Christ during the tribulation; including all those who died at the hand of the false bride, that harlot, the Papacy, who beheads all who refused the mark of the beast. These three groups make up the complete Bride of Christ that "has made herself ready" for the "marriage of the Lamb" (Rev 19:7-10) right before the Lord get's on his white horse dressed for battle along with his complete Bride also on white horses riding with Her Husband back to earth to defeat Satan's kingdom, capture the antichrist beast and false prophet and bind Satan for His ensuing 1000 year reign beginning in 2030.

This could have been written in a less verbose way, I realize. Repetition is being used for emphasis. My apologies for not being overly concise.

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Since this fabulous film is labelled "Part 1" when is "Part 2" being released? I hope it expands on the possible timelines for the 70th week of Daniel. Since this film has rocked my worldview of Scripture, I have been telling my friends and family my educated guess the pre-tribulation rapture will be at dusk of the "Feast of Trumpets" this year on September 15th 2023 at dusk (around 7:15pm PST), knowing full well no one knows the day or the hour. I know it doesn't hurt to make an educated guess of course, but more importantly to be watchful, calling loved ones and all we are given a chance to witness to along our path to repentance and faith in Christ Jesus through the gospel message, before it is too late.

I know your question was directed at the moderator but I think I can answer. The pre-trib rapture doctrine has been something I have thoroughly searched out - because bothers and sisters in the body tend to reference this doctrine as a reason NOT to be fully aware of the TIME we are in. When you understand YOUR roll in the coming Kingdom (Read Jude), you would NEVER want to miss it. But regardless of what you want, the Word only says what is TRUE.

When asked about His return, he told His disciples "immediately after the tribulations". You are holding onto a doctrine that says that your flesh is saved from tribulation. But you were never promised salvation of your flesh. You recognized that the "Dead in Christ" rise first at His second coming. Paul's words are very clear: Thes 4:16-17 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

He is clearly describing the First Resurrection as immediately before the "rapture". There are two resurrections though. All those souls who God redeemed will be collected at the Second resurrection if they were not in the First.

Let me bring your attention to another couple of verses in Rev. (And remember this one was personally delivered by Jesus) Rev 22:18-19

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I can see how people adopting a pre-1st-resurrection resurrection would be unprepared for tribulation days. And they would suffer the plagues believing it can't be those things which they should have been rescued before. That sounds like unwise virgins to me.

Jesus said in Luke 16:16 that until He came the Law and Prophets were preached - This means that the preaching was about the coming Messiah. But now that he was present and going forward from that time - "since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Jesus was focused on the Kingdom coming, (Not eternity) and He wants our attention to be on His Kingdom. He made you to be present in this Glorious time of His Victory that He wants you to share in. Praise Him!!!

Thank you for the explanation.