We are all going through tribulations. John went through his own personal tribulations, challenges, threats to his faith, and life even. We know this because he immediately assures us that he conquered the tribulations presented to him. That’s all he was saying here, IMO.
As true Christians, we are at times mocked, made to look like fools, made to look lesser, “kooky” etc. etc. We’re in the minority. We stand for Christ, and for that we suffer. Believe me now, I am.
But I think we need to differentiate between “The Great Tribulation” (described as has never occurred before) and just regular everyday tribulation true Christians experience as recorded here in John 16:33.
The GREAT tribulation, is as no other. It’s a future event that a wicked and adulterous generation will experience. They seek a sign, yet won’t see it. But we do! We’re part of that (this) generation only by association, we can’t escape this world, but we don’t willingly practice these acts that are punishable.
Also, I see some here correlating the word “elect” to anointed Christians that will go through the “GT”. Now, Jehovah selected Israel correct? THEY are the elect mentioned multiple times. Note the word “election” at Romans 11:28 when speaking of Israel. They are His chosen nation and he’ll never change that. They could be considered His bride. He will not divorce them as He hates a divorcing. We are Jesus bride. Our Father ( in-law? ( ; )’s purpose/goal is always achieved. Some of the Israelites are maybe the 144,000? Side-note to possibly consider. But too many mix the two “classes” or groups/flocks and it muddies the waters. We get confused, or are taught the confusion rather, due to the wording (English is a cursed language haha), and thus don’t see clearly what we are to expect regarding the removal of these 2 separate groups, at first glance.
The Jewish nation will have to go through the refinement of further tribulation (great), as they haven’t accepted Jesus ransom sacrifice. Just as all other wicked men/women. I’ve partaken and committed my life to God. We’re refined! No refinement is needed other than the Grace given by our Lord. Embrace that refinement, don’t accept that you’re heart isn’t laced with GOLD. You glimmer before the wicked. You should appear different to them because you’re washed clean with the blood of the Lamb. And that’s where our tribulations come in too. As mentioned at the top.
Israel as a nation, would rather accept/pour out the blood of a heifer than accept our Divine Saviours sacrifice. Also, unbelievers will come out and accept our Lord. They too will be saved from destruction, eventually. They just need a little softening of the heart. And it has to be harsh. Many will be saved. Otherwise it will all have just been a 7 year event of torture with no way out before Heaven and Earth are destroyed before being restored. Some will see through the deception, and these we call the “Tribulation Saints”.
Perhaps there’s no clear “label” in scripture to distinguish between the 2 group’s timing of being “caught away” but if we look at comparisons we can learn a lot.
See how these are separate events? The rapture is first. We rest. Then return WITH CHRIST. After comparing the verses, I encourage you to read them all…How would it make sense for this to all happen at once as one event?
It’s simply not logical.