He states that the Jubilee cycles are 49 years long (@14:26). That is false.

The Messiah 2030 team have posted a long article here detailing how the Pandemic Treaty is key to bringing in a world dictatorship but that it cannot be ratified until at least next year or possibly 2025, which means that 2023 as the start of the 7 year treaty (if the Pandemic Treaty is that treaty) doesn't fit with the year 2030 (unless it is rushed through this year because of another pandemic). Apparently, the U.S. government is preparing for another pandemic this winter 2023. We shall see..

Some believe that Christ died in 33 CE and that would definitely fit with the Pandemic Treaty.

Then there is the United Nations SDG meeting in September this year which could be the treaty and that would fit with 2030 depending on what, if anything, is agreed between "many" member states.

Hope that helps.

You must not have ever seen any of his other videos? C.J. is very well aware of the Jubilee arrangement. Even this video suggests watching his previous update where he explains it all quite extensively.

But regardless, perhaps he just found an anomaly with those nearly 170 matches for 4005bc? The other dates we're between only 9-11. Quite the coincidence, don't you think?

I'm curios to see what other more smarters might have to say.

That's fine. He's not after fans.

That's not really the point. Do you see error in his timeline 2031? And do you see he clearly understands the 50th Jubilee?

This is the point of this post, not to determine who likes him as a man.

Thanks

BTW, I'll try to be kind and polite here, but your comments I've come across give me the impression that you have it all figured out and have come here with all the answers. Stating opinion as fact. With some of these: "!!"

We really shouldn't be exclaiming our personally perceived interpretations as fact to anyone. We should not teach our interpretation as doctrine. A spirit of humility will get you much further here. We share and let the Spirit work on hearts. Present and discuss. This is how we learn. Being dogmatic is a poison that I left behind in my previous religion. They divided the New Covanent and separated the "classes" as you proposed was a fact in your own post.

I don't see that in scripture though. The great crowd is "before the throne in Heaven", according to the Bible. To think otherwise really mixes things up and forces other scriptures to mean something they aren't saying. It's an eisegetical approach. A no no.

Just wanted to share my observation. I wish you the best.

Not a fan of his videos/message. It has nothing to do with him as a person. I don't know him. Are you him? You seem a little hurt. The year 2031 is a possibility. Anything between 2030 and 2033 is valid and likely but not guaranteed. I thought I made that clear, but really, no one knows the year for certain.

I don't have it all worked out. Not yet. But I soon will, and it won't be through watching internet videos, studying websites, reading books, or reading messages on forums such as this. (Matt 17:11; Zech 4:14)

There are two classes - an earthly class and a heavenly class of 144,000 who will rule as kings over the earth for 1,000 years. (Rev 5:10; 20:6) That's a FACT. False Christians cannot grasp this simple truth. Even true Christians do not know how the seventh and eighth days reveal this. In fact, they know nothing about the 7,000 year plan. Yet...

Yes, the great crowd is before the throne, which is the judgment seat. They are not literally stood before the throne. It's like saying 10 Downing Street makes decisions. It doesn't. It's an address that symbolizes a power behind it.

Here's a ChatGPT response to the question:

How can the great crowd be before the throne in heaven if they will live on earth?

The interpretation of biblical passages like the one about the "great crowd before the throne in heaven" (Revelation 7:9-17) can vary among different religious traditions and scholars. One common approach to reconciling this apparent discrepancy is to understand the vision in a symbolic or metaphorical way rather than as a literal depiction of a physical location.

In this view, the "great crowd" standing before the throne in heaven is not necessarily depicting a physical presence in a celestial realm, but rather it symbolizes the spiritual and intimate relationship between believers and God. This imagery could represent the elevated status and close communion that believers will have with God in the afterlife or in the fulfilled state of God's kingdom.

Moreover, the Book of Revelation is rich in symbolic language and apocalyptic imagery, which often requires careful interpretation. The entire book is a vision that uses vivid symbols and metaphors to convey spiritual truths about the nature of God's plan, the victory of good over evil, and the ultimate destiny of humanity. (end)

Or do you believe that when the Bible says that New Jerusalem comes down form heaven that it will literally descend? It means that it will rule over the inhabitants of earth, which includes the great crowd of believers who survive the Great Tribulation. And who will rule over them? The little flock of the anointed 144,000 along with the Christ.

That was quite the edit haha.

I guess I need to clarify. There aren't 2 separate classes in the sense that I was taught, or how you seem to portray, imo. I'm not saying either of us are right.

But I'll only say this regarding the "great crowd", as you have your own thread on the subject. So I won't comment on it further after this:

After reading your AI produced script I did agreed that "careful interpretation" is required. Thus we need all the facts. I can't help but notice that Revelation 19:1 and 6-8 were never mentioned by you or the AI, anywhere.

Rev. 19:1 "After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude IN HEAVEN shouting:
“Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,"

And 6-8: "Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean,was given her to wear.”

(These in my opinion are the wedding guests, and they have either died loyal during, or lived through the tribulation, see the letter the Church of Laodicea. The Church of Philadelphia letter is referencing the 144K) The letters order coincides with future events.

Revelation 19:1
"in" : Strong's Greek 1722
2777 Occurrences
Greek: ἐν

All occurrences denote exactly the same meaning or connotation. The very same we're all familiar with. Across a multitude of translations, they all translate it the same. It's a simple word to determine. There were other words available to the writer at the time. If the Spirit wanted a different a meaning than "in" to be understood by us, then it would have been written accordingly. He is not a God of confusion. Good candidates or clear options are " ἔμπροσθεν " or " ἐνώπιον ". I encourage you to do a word study if this still isn't clear to you.

Again, to say otherwise or apply a different meaning would be countering the Bible AND dangerous. -Revelation 22:18,19

The Great Crowd are invited to the wedding feast in Heaven. So yes, two "classes" but with different outcomes based on how they live or accept Christ. The wedding occurs in Heaven.

This article makes things pretty clear:

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/great-crowd-other-sheep.php

It's long and detailed, but exhaustive on the subject. I encourage you to read it.

I've read the JW poison. I was submersed in it my whole life. I've done the research and expelled that eisegetical teaching long ago. It was designed to make its followers deny Christ. You are clinging to teachings of men that are currently being exposed as liars and hypocrites. Tony Morrison III (JW leader) has been cast out, removed by the governing body and moved to a house paid for by the donations of those unawares. They have been continuously removing videos from their library that feature him to distance themselves from him. But sure, God's Holy Spirit placed him and allowed him to be there in the first place, right...okay. The poor children and families he's affected. You probably have no idea. The authorities have it in hand now.

So no, I won't be going along with their teachings. Please do not bother sharing any more WOL links. Not worth the "paper" they were written on. Russell had it right, as did Rutherford for a time. Until he converted the religious organization into a legal corporation.

If this is where you were taught this lie I really really encourage you to read the link I provided. It obliterates the lie and reveals the truth.

I won't elaborate and explain every single aspect of this and those points you claim support the JW theory. The work has been done. This is why I suggesed you read the page I linked. It's exhaustive and answers your questions. No AI... from the Bible

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I am not clinging to the teachings of men. In truth, I expose the false teachings of the Watchtower Society on the Quora Space I created and administer and through the hundreds of questions I have asked Jehovah's Witnesses through my account there. You're way off the mark. I am well aware of the situation with Tony Morris.

Rutherford got very little right. I'm no fan of his, or Nathan H. Knorr (he brought in the unchristian practice of shunning). What he DID get right was the two class teaching.

I am fully aware of what Paul Grundy (JWFacts) teaches. He gets some things right and some things wrong. In this case, he is wrong.

Would you like to know how I know all these things and what I am going to do about the dire state of Jehovah's organization and all their false teachings? The answer can be found at Matthew 17:11, also Malachi 4:5,6. Ask me nicely and I will share my Quora Space with you, although it's not difficult to find. Btw, the "nation" of Jehovah's Witnesses hate me for speaking the truth. (Isa 49:7) Oh, and false Christians hate me, and the world too! Oh yes, and my own family! Perhaps I am wasting my time, eh? (Isa 49:4)

Now, if you could just answer my simple question of where Revelation 19 describes the joyful cries of the "great crowd" of angels "in heaven" I would be most grateful.